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		<title>Comment on The Global Mail: an inside job. by Alex White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 07:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason -- yes, you&#039;re right. There are many factors to the problems besetting the Global Mail. Divorcing yourself from the PR spin cycle has proven detrimental, along with all of the other areas mentioned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason &#8212; yes, you&#8217;re right. There are many factors to the problems besetting the Global Mail. Divorcing yourself from the PR spin cycle has proven detrimental, along with all of the other areas mentioned.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Global Mail: an inside job. by jason</title>
		<link>http://restlesscapital.net/2012/05/the-global-mail-an-inside-job/comment-page-1/#comment-2186</link>
		<dc:creator>jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 06:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex - the point you make about PR is fair enough as far as it goes. I agree that the tribalism around journalism vs PR is often bone-headed, and in practice the two roles are often symbiotic, and have been ever since newspapers started to break away from partisan sponsors and become independent. But the Mail&#039;s problems went deeper, as I think the comparison with other similar independent media websites. Still it&#039;s a very interesting perspective. 

Rosanna - the exception that proves the rule? I still think that the whole presence of the GM online seemed very reluctant, and the odd foray into data journalism might just show that while the editors knew what it was, they by and large weren&#039;t interested. 

Fergus - I think that&#039;s all spot on, sadly. They did everything they could to deter readers and return visitors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex &#8211; the point you make about PR is fair enough as far as it goes. I agree that the tribalism around journalism vs PR is often bone-headed, and in practice the two roles are often symbiotic, and have been ever since newspapers started to break away from partisan sponsors and become independent. But the Mail&#8217;s problems went deeper, as I think the comparison with other similar independent media websites. Still it&#8217;s a very interesting perspective. </p>
<p>Rosanna &#8211; the exception that proves the rule? I still think that the whole presence of the GM online seemed very reluctant, and the odd foray into data journalism might just show that while the editors knew what it was, they by and large weren&#8217;t interested. </p>
<p>Fergus &#8211; I think that&#8217;s all spot on, sadly. They did everything they could to deter readers and return visitors.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Global Mail: an inside job. by Fergus Pitt</title>
		<link>http://restlesscapital.net/2012/05/the-global-mail-an-inside-job/comment-page-1/#comment-2185</link>
		<dc:creator>Fergus Pitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 09:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Global Mail does not seem to understand the changed behaviours of their target audience.

Leaving aside the website design, and the lack of digital native storytelling forms like data visualisation and interactives, they seemed to have little sense of how people find and consume media in the current era.
 
Tim&#039;s points at Mumbrella count the ways.

Thus far it has been a failure of marketing; not in a publicity sense, but in the sense of matching a service to an audience need or desire. Your point, Jason, about their stated  target audience being &#039;everyone&#039; reinforces my impression that they didn&#039;t think about their audience at all. 
Let&#039;s assume that we&#039;re talking about a politically engaged, educated, relatively affluent target. These people are likely to have access to huge amounts of great content, have existing sites, services or platforms they habitually use to consume content, and little real &lt;em&gt;need&lt;/em&gt; in their life for what The Global Mail was publishing. Interest perhaps, and best wishes perhaps, but no real compelling need. 
In that context simply putting up a website, having a tiny link down the bottom to subscribe to their newsletter, having a single &lt;em&gt;teaser only&lt;/em&gt; RSS feed, publishing infrequently inside a walled garden, generally gives the impression that they expect to win their audience&#039;s loyalty very easily and deeply. Very confident indeed. 

There are still large audiences for serious, considered journalism and analysis; take a look at the long-reads phenomenon or the rising audience for The Economist or The Atlantic. I&#039;ve got no quarrel with The Global Mail&#039;s mission, just their execution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Global Mail does not seem to understand the changed behaviours of their target audience.</p>
<p>Leaving aside the website design, and the lack of digital native storytelling forms like data visualisation and interactives, they seemed to have little sense of how people find and consume media in the current era.</p>
<p>Tim&#8217;s points at Mumbrella count the ways.</p>
<p>Thus far it has been a failure of marketing; not in a publicity sense, but in the sense of matching a service to an audience need or desire. Your point, Jason, about their stated  target audience being &#8216;everyone&#8217; reinforces my impression that they didn&#8217;t think about their audience at all.<br />
Let&#8217;s assume that we&#8217;re talking about a politically engaged, educated, relatively affluent target. These people are likely to have access to huge amounts of great content, have existing sites, services or platforms they habitually use to consume content, and little real <em>need</em> in their life for what The Global Mail was publishing. Interest perhaps, and best wishes perhaps, but no real compelling need.<br />
In that context simply putting up a website, having a tiny link down the bottom to subscribe to their newsletter, having a single <em>teaser only</em> RSS feed, publishing infrequently inside a walled garden, generally gives the impression that they expect to win their audience&#8217;s loyalty very easily and deeply. Very confident indeed. </p>
<p>There are still large audiences for serious, considered journalism and analysis; take a look at the long-reads phenomenon or the rising audience for The Economist or The Atlantic. I&#8217;ve got no quarrel with The Global Mail&#8217;s mission, just their execution.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Global Mail: an inside job. by Rosanna Ryan</title>
		<link>http://restlesscapital.net/2012/05/the-global-mail-an-inside-job/comment-page-1/#comment-2176</link>
		<dc:creator>Rosanna Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 09:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with most of the criticisms you&#039;ve mentioned here. I&#039;ve never been a very regular reader of the Global Mail, but one of the reports that really stuck out for me was &lt;a href=&quot;http://extras.theglobalmail.org/aged-care/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;their investigation into aged care&lt;/a&gt;. It was notable for actually having what you said the site lacked, in terms of data journalism/visualisation and interactive features. I think lots of online publications would love to do more of this kind of thing but are hamstrung by limited resources, so it&#039;s a shame it&#039;s been so rare at the Global Mail, so far at least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with most of the criticisms you&#8217;ve mentioned here. I&#8217;ve never been a very regular reader of the Global Mail, but one of the reports that really stuck out for me was <a href="http://extras.theglobalmail.org/aged-care/" rel="nofollow">their investigation into aged care</a>. It was notable for actually having what you said the site lacked, in terms of data journalism/visualisation and interactive features. I think lots of online publications would love to do more of this kind of thing but are hamstrung by limited resources, so it&#8217;s a shame it&#8217;s been so rare at the Global Mail, so far at least.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Global Mail: an inside job. by The Global Mail, journalism and PR &#124; Alex White</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Global Mail, journalism and PR &#124; Alex White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 09:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] people are writing about the troubles at The Global Mail. I left a rather long comment over at the Restless Capital blog, which I reproduce here: Jason &#8212; great article, and I think you&#8217;ve hit on many of the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] people are writing about the troubles at The Global Mail. I left a rather long comment over at the Restless Capital blog, which I reproduce here: Jason &#8212; great article, and I think you&#8217;ve hit on many of the [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Global Mail: an inside job. by Alex White</title>
		<link>http://restlesscapital.net/2012/05/the-global-mail-an-inside-job/comment-page-1/#comment-2174</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 09:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason -- great article, and I think you&#039;ve hit on many of the issues that have stymied the Global Mail. However, the main one, that you&#039;ve only alluded to, is that GM sat so outside of the current media model that it sidelined itself. (Mumbrella also touches on this.)

By this I refer to the symbiosis between journalists and public relations professionals. Over 60% of what appears on TV, radio and newspapers is driven by public relations. Most &quot;interesting&quot; non-random events and stories (e.g. natural disasters) are PR driven. 

Attard said, in one of the interviews I heard, that she wanted to insulate GM from the daily barrage of PR media releases. Their unresponsive nature was due to wanting to avoid the influence of PR and media spinners. 

Unfortunately, that&#039;s how our news works. Journos get tips and insights from PR staffers and insiders. If you&#039;re isolating yourself from that, you&#039;re not going to get the juicy stories and exclusives. Investigative journalism can&#039;t compensate for that.

This can explain the lack of content -- they simply excluded themselves from the loop. 

As a sessional lecturer in media management at VU, I can attest that every first year student is taught that journalism and PR go hand in hand since the dawn of time. Journalism has always been about filling the gaps between the ads. 

There was never a golden age of journalism as imagined by Attard and the rest of the Global Mail crew (including Wood). Journalism and the media is an essential part of the promotion cycle -- and it just doesn&#039;t work without PR. 

As you say, The Atlantic produces amazing content. But you can be the regular journalists on the books are tapped into the PR beltway -- as I imagine the freelancers would be.

More here: http://alexwhite.org/2012/05/the-global-mail-journalism-and-pr/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason &#8212; great article, and I think you&#8217;ve hit on many of the issues that have stymied the Global Mail. However, the main one, that you&#8217;ve only alluded to, is that GM sat so outside of the current media model that it sidelined itself. (Mumbrella also touches on this.)</p>
<p>By this I refer to the symbiosis between journalists and public relations professionals. Over 60% of what appears on TV, radio and newspapers is driven by public relations. Most &#8220;interesting&#8221; non-random events and stories (e.g. natural disasters) are PR driven. </p>
<p>Attard said, in one of the interviews I heard, that she wanted to insulate GM from the daily barrage of PR media releases. Their unresponsive nature was due to wanting to avoid the influence of PR and media spinners. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, that&#8217;s how our news works. Journos get tips and insights from PR staffers and insiders. If you&#8217;re isolating yourself from that, you&#8217;re not going to get the juicy stories and exclusives. Investigative journalism can&#8217;t compensate for that.</p>
<p>This can explain the lack of content &#8212; they simply excluded themselves from the loop. </p>
<p>As a sessional lecturer in media management at VU, I can attest that every first year student is taught that journalism and PR go hand in hand since the dawn of time. Journalism has always been about filling the gaps between the ads. </p>
<p>There was never a golden age of journalism as imagined by Attard and the rest of the Global Mail crew (including Wood). Journalism and the media is an essential part of the promotion cycle &#8212; and it just doesn&#8217;t work without PR. </p>
<p>As you say, The Atlantic produces amazing content. But you can be the regular journalists on the books are tapped into the PR beltway &#8212; as I imagine the freelancers would be.</p>
<p>More here: <a href="http://alexwhite.org/2012/05/the-global-mail-journalism-and-pr/" rel="nofollow">http://alexwhite.org/2012/05/the-global-mail-journalism-and-pr/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on The Global Mail: an inside job. by Nick Cooper</title>
		<link>http://restlesscapital.net/2012/05/the-global-mail-an-inside-job/comment-page-1/#comment-2170</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 07:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know why, but the bottom banner kept chopping off the bottoms of the paragraphs (vista HP, most recent versions of Firefox, Seamonkey and Chrome), so there was no point in scrolling sideways, and after a few tries I gave up.

My impression was that they were so busy being clever with bells and whistles, they forgot to check if their site worked widely.  

Once they get a normal web site, I&#039;ll go back and form a judgement about the journalism once the delivery vehicle stops preventing me from reading it.

I emailed them to let them know, and was ignored - the sure sign you have ABC-trained people handing consumer feedback.  The assumed entitlement to the consumer&#039;s attention is something I wish they had left behind at Auntie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know why, but the bottom banner kept chopping off the bottoms of the paragraphs (vista HP, most recent versions of Firefox, Seamonkey and Chrome), so there was no point in scrolling sideways, and after a few tries I gave up.</p>
<p>My impression was that they were so busy being clever with bells and whistles, they forgot to check if their site worked widely.  </p>
<p>Once they get a normal web site, I&#8217;ll go back and form a judgement about the journalism once the delivery vehicle stops preventing me from reading it.</p>
<p>I emailed them to let them know, and was ignored &#8211; the sure sign you have ABC-trained people handing consumer feedback.  The assumed entitlement to the consumer&#8217;s attention is something I wish they had left behind at Auntie.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Menzies House&#8217;s campaigns against Aboriginal Australians. by S(r)ambo</title>
		<link>http://restlesscapital.net/2012/01/menzies-house/comment-page-1/#comment-2169</link>
		<dc:creator>S(r)ambo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 00:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>some people just dont like the freedoms to protest, how pathetic to direct funds towards stopping our freedom to protest, the RDA is the same as defamation law in regards to free speech but the bias is huge in conservative circles, how illogical to support defamation law and not the RDA, no wonder Aboriginals are slowly gaining a foot hold with the amount of illogical reasoning from the closet racists side, the fools still believe a convicted liar, I understand ignorance is bliss but Australian racist take it to a new level, no wonder aussies were voted the worlds biggest whingers in 2011 thanks to lazy sheep who believe what they are told instead of doing their own research, maybe try a journalist instead of opinion writers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>some people just dont like the freedoms to protest, how pathetic to direct funds towards stopping our freedom to protest, the RDA is the same as defamation law in regards to free speech but the bias is huge in conservative circles, how illogical to support defamation law and not the RDA, no wonder Aboriginals are slowly gaining a foot hold with the amount of illogical reasoning from the closet racists side, the fools still believe a convicted liar, I understand ignorance is bliss but Australian racist take it to a new level, no wonder aussies were voted the worlds biggest whingers in 2011 thanks to lazy sheep who believe what they are told instead of doing their own research, maybe try a journalist instead of opinion writers</p>
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		<title>Comment on Menzies House&#8217;s campaigns against Aboriginal Australians. by Terrestial Human</title>
		<link>http://restlesscapital.net/2012/01/menzies-house/comment-page-1/#comment-2137</link>
		<dc:creator>Terrestial Human</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 09:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They haven&#039;t learned a thing from Bolta&#039;s case. in fact they are getting worse. Why cant people understand, that even if you were 25% indigenous by blood, and had an aboriginal mother, you are still aboriginal , and would have grown up in an aboriginal community, and also experienced all of the hardship, dis-advanatge, social stigma and racist abuse many of those communities have suffered since their inception. Heres one of the editors most recent comments. On the current &quot;reconcile reconciliation&quot; post. Seems you are right above conflate the OWS move on with a pull down of the TE. These guys are definitely working in tandem , despite their protestations they are not, with the extreme right wing of the LNP - yep Bernardi &amp; C0 - Abbott&#039;s parliamentary secretary. Anyway if you are ready to feel sick, here is Andy Semple:

&quot;Andy Semple said...
Easy to fix. Unless you have 50% or more aboriginal blood, then you&#039;re NOT an aboriginal or Islander. There 80% saved.

As for the tent embassy. They&#039;re squatters and the law should equally apply to them just as it applies to everyone else. If they were OWS tards they would have been moved on.

BoltA was right also. There is plenty of people claiming &quot;their aboriginality&quot; to get preferential treatment. That&#039;s got to stop also. If not then I&#039;m just as aboriginal as they are. I was born here too so I&#039;m an indigenous to this land as they are.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They haven&#8217;t learned a thing from Bolta&#8217;s case. in fact they are getting worse. Why cant people understand, that even if you were 25% indigenous by blood, and had an aboriginal mother, you are still aboriginal , and would have grown up in an aboriginal community, and also experienced all of the hardship, dis-advanatge, social stigma and racist abuse many of those communities have suffered since their inception. Heres one of the editors most recent comments. On the current &#8220;reconcile reconciliation&#8221; post. Seems you are right above conflate the OWS move on with a pull down of the TE. These guys are definitely working in tandem , despite their protestations they are not, with the extreme right wing of the LNP &#8211; yep Bernardi &amp; C0 &#8211; Abbott&#8217;s parliamentary secretary. Anyway if you are ready to feel sick, here is Andy Semple:</p>
<p>&#8220;Andy Semple said&#8230;<br />
Easy to fix. Unless you have 50% or more aboriginal blood, then you&#8217;re NOT an aboriginal or Islander. There 80% saved.</p>
<p>As for the tent embassy. They&#8217;re squatters and the law should equally apply to them just as it applies to everyone else. If they were OWS tards they would have been moved on.</p>
<p>BoltA was right also. There is plenty of people claiming &#8220;their aboriginality&#8221; to get preferential treatment. That&#8217;s got to stop also. If not then I&#8217;m just as aboriginal as they are. I was born here too so I&#8217;m an indigenous to this land as they are.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Menzies House&#8217;s campaigns against Aboriginal Australians. by Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 09:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug, I think you nailed it. This article and website seems to focus exclusively on ad hominem attacks on those who disagree with the authors&#039; position. Glad I found it so I can keep up with what the left loons are &#039;thinking&#039; . :) Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug, I think you nailed it. This article and website seems to focus exclusively on ad hominem attacks on those who disagree with the authors&#8217; position. Glad I found it so I can keep up with what the left loons are &#8216;thinking&#8217; . <img src='http://restlesscapital.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Cheers</p>
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